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if mitt romney would have won would there have been a fiscal cliff issue? >> i don't know. the president has certainly been -- has had a hard time bringing in the two sides together. in terms of leading. >> that's my point. the guest just gave me an epiphany. the reason the market isn't acting upact ing spongier is i think the sell off after the election was probably in part due to the very over viewed simplistic notion if the president won there was going to be these issues we're dealing with referred to as the fiscal cliff. if mitt romney would have won probably not so much. >> probably not so much. >> the market has dealt with it. >> you're right. >> we are still talking about the same dysfunctional congress no matter who was in the white house though. >> exactly. i guess it all decides on which side of the dysfunctional aisle you sit on. >> thanks so much, guys. have a happy holiday everybody. thank you very much. we'll see you soon. we have 50 minutes before the closing bell sounds for the day and we got a market that is worsening going into the close. down about 53 po
if mitt romney would have won would there have been a fiscal cliff issue? >> i don't know. the president has certainly been -- has had a hard time bringing in the two sides together. in terms of leading. >> that's my point. the guest just gave me an epiphany. the reason the market isn't acting upact ing spongier is i think the sell off after the election was probably in part due to the very over viewed simplistic notion if the president won there was going to be these issues we're...
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i was never a big romney fan. i didn't have a personal problem with him, but i never thought of him as as thentic. the one time i caught him in iowa signing people's posters and it was a rainy day. i said to him can you say let them eat cake in french. it's the ultimate side of being above everyone else. he says i can, but i won't. and he wouldn't look up at me. he's so trained and disciplined. he wanted me to know he was fluent enough in french, but he wasn't going to be stupid enough to do it on camera saying let them eat cake in french. should we believe he didn't really go for it with all he had? >> they said take a month and understand the campaign. you have to understand this is a private man going for the most public job in the country. and he did not want to talk about certain things in his life. and his campaign strategist did not want to talk about his mormon faith and background. >> we knew that about his business career embarrassing. the mormonism is i think a credit to the democrats. nobody likes to b
i was never a big romney fan. i didn't have a personal problem with him, but i never thought of him as as thentic. the one time i caught him in iowa signing people's posters and it was a rainy day. i said to him can you say let them eat cake in french. it's the ultimate side of being above everyone else. he says i can, but i won't. and he wouldn't look up at me. he's so trained and disciplined. he wanted me to know he was fluent enough in french, but he wasn't going to be stupid enough to do it...
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what if mitt romney isn't the best person? >> people have tried to portray you as a kind of ruthless money machine who some failed, some succeeded, you didn't care, you still got your fee, or you made a ton of money but actually quite a few of the companies that made, a lot of people lost their jobs, their livelihoods and lost money. to me the key question is do you know instinctively from your recollections how many of those companies that you went into would have failed anyway if you hadn't? >> well, there's no question but that a number of places where we went in and invested, we were investing in an enterprise that was in trouble, that -- where the future was very much in doubt for it and we invested in one busy think it lost 50 or $60 or more million the year before we invested and a lot of people didn't want to touch it. we were able to go in there with the current management team, help get the business pack on track as anne vestors the managers really ran it but they were able to turn it around see a real success. the i
what if mitt romney isn't the best person? >> people have tried to portray you as a kind of ruthless money machine who some failed, some succeeded, you didn't care, you still got your fee, or you made a ton of money but actually quite a few of the companies that made, a lot of people lost their jobs, their livelihoods and lost money. to me the key question is do you know instinctively from your recollections how many of those companies that you went into would have failed anyway if you...
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neil: do you think, and this is mentioned by mitt romney a lot. you know that you are going to do things differently? dubai that? >> everybody talks about reducing taxes because they want more capital to grow their business. but it's also reulations. businesses are confronted at the township and city level. >> here in chicago, you need 161 licenses to open up the business. >> if you open up a job shop, you have to have a license to give them a bath. it's ridiculous. whcan't we consolidate some of these things and reduce the bureaucracy? it isn't about the people collecting anything but a paycheck. neil: they must realize that the more they push this, the more it it endangers the economy and their very jobs are online. >> you would think so, when you? there is a lot of evidence that says those people inside the beltway are living in a bubble. washington dc is the only city in the united states that has had taken continuous growthh >> what about when gas comes down? >> you have a gas situation where you have $4000 and their wages have only gone up a
neil: do you think, and this is mentioned by mitt romney a lot. you know that you are going to do things differently? dubai that? >> everybody talks about reducing taxes because they want more capital to grow their business. but it's also reulations. businesses are confronted at the township and city level. >> here in chicago, you need 161 licenses to open up the business. >> if you open up a job shop, you have to have a license to give them a bath. it's ridiculous. whcan't we...
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the guy who had the romney/ryan logo tatteed on his face. ever hear of bumper stickers? best fund-raising. both sides stuffed their piggy banks until they squealed. tot total amount raised by the parties and their supporters, nearly $6 billion or enough to hire 3,600 extra teachers for ten years. just saying. worst running meaates, other republican candidates who crushed their hopes about taking the senate with comments about rape and abortion. worst thing in all of politics once thagain this year, the unid states congress, which according to gallup americans trust just slightly more than car dealers. >> the good thing for congress is there's nowhere to go but up. >> best way to keep the polls going down. that delay tactic called sequestration. neither party wanted to address the tough issues before the election, so they kicked the can down the road right to the fiscal cliff, and of course, they blamed each other. best supporters of gay rights, state victories and supreme court consideration for same-sex marriage, the election of the first openly lesbian u.s. senator, an
the guy who had the romney/ryan logo tatteed on his face. ever hear of bumper stickers? best fund-raising. both sides stuffed their piggy banks until they squealed. tot total amount raised by the parties and their supporters, nearly $6 billion or enough to hire 3,600 extra teachers for ten years. just saying. worst running meaates, other republican candidates who crushed their hopes about taking the senate with comments about rape and abortion. worst thing in all of politics once thagain this...
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two words from mitt romney reverberated. the issue was a plan to represent employers from hiring undocumented workers. >> over time the people would lead the country or self-deport. >> that was not responsible for romney's dismal showing among hispanics but it surely greased the skids. and moments for a mulligan there was there. >> there are fortiy seven percent that are with the president that believe they are victims. >> they caused the deepest self-inflicted wound of the election. on the flip side. >> he's going to be the next vice president of the united states. >> romney's vp day may well have been the best moment of his campaign. the selection of paul ryan excited conservatives in a way that romney had not. >> how many moments are there in an hour and a half. the pictures tell the story of a man who phoned it in, providing an opening for romney. >> and finally the top three moments best described as history making politics. a supreme court decision upholding the constitutionality of obama care. and if that doesn't stri
two words from mitt romney reverberated. the issue was a plan to represent employers from hiring undocumented workers. >> over time the people would lead the country or self-deport. >> that was not responsible for romney's dismal showing among hispanics but it surely greased the skids. and moments for a mulligan there was there. >> there are fortiy seven percent that are with the president that believe they are victims. >> they caused the deepest self-inflicted wound of...
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just romney, the taxes. the biggest story of the year was journalists didn't cover the story. >> greg: throw benghazi in that was well. >> andrea: nonstory. programming note. catch kimberly and greg tonight on fox news channel all american new year's eve broadcast at 11:00 p.m. >> greg: we'll be in a hot tub. >> kimberly: no, we won't. >> eric: waiting for ball to drop. what did you say? you lost your pants in a hot tub somewhere? don't go away. much more to come. special including a look at some of the wild moments of the past year on "the five." don't miss it. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] there are only so many foods that make kids happy. and even fewer that make moms happy too. with wholesome noodles and bite sized chicken, nothing brings you together like chicken noodle soup from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. hey hun, remember you only need a few sheets. hmph! [ female announcer ] charmin ultra soft is made with extra cushions that are soft and more absorbent. plus you can use four times less.
just romney, the taxes. the biggest story of the year was journalists didn't cover the story. >> greg: throw benghazi in that was well. >> andrea: nonstory. programming note. catch kimberly and greg tonight on fox news channel all american new year's eve broadcast at 11:00 p.m. >> greg: we'll be in a hot tub. >> kimberly: no, we won't. >> eric: waiting for ball to drop. what did you say? you lost your pants in a hot tub somewhere? don't go away. much more to come....
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just romney, the taxes. the biggest story of the year was journalists didn't cover the story. >> greg: throw benghazi in that was well. >> andrea: nonstory. programming note. catch kimberly and greg tonight on fox news channel all american new year's eve broadcast at 11:00 p.m. >> greg: we'll be in a hot tub. >> kimberly: no, we won't. >> eric: waiting for ball to drop. what did you say? you lost your pants in a hot tub somewhere? don't go away. much more to come. special including a look at some of the wild moments of the past year on "the five." don't miss it. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> kimberly: hello. welcome back to "the five" new year's eve special. to stuff we covered this year that we hope will go away in 2013. okay, i'm going to begin right here. if around the take. story i don't want to hear again or phrase is "fair share." this was a key component to the 2019 election. the president did use the phrase repeatedly. much to his success, ultimately. in the outcome of the election. the first time we saw a majo
just romney, the taxes. the biggest story of the year was journalists didn't cover the story. >> greg: throw benghazi in that was well. >> andrea: nonstory. programming note. catch kimberly and greg tonight on fox news channel all american new year's eve broadcast at 11:00 p.m. >> greg: we'll be in a hot tub. >> kimberly: no, we won't. >> eric: waiting for ball to drop. what did you say? you lost your pants in a hot tub somewhere? don't go away. much more to come....
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romney destroyed him. but in that rhetoric, he sealed his fate in the general election with the latinos, who he got blown out and provided a huge margin in the swing states. >> that is a good point, my point is, of course, the anonymous video operator, who captured the 47%, which is why we happen to have the tape. why it happened to be ready. now, the best move of 2012. what was the best move of 2012? >> this is really hard, because some part of me as a political junky thinks the best move is the crazy thing. and for that, i would give it to mitt romney actually moving across the stage and grabbing rick perry, this kind of physical debate style he also had that revealed him to be crazy and not driven by the same things that most humans are driven by. but sort of the competitive work force bought. but i think at end of the day we keep going back to the 47% -- >> it is everything. >> the release of that. and the timing of that changed the contours of the race, forever. >> and we don't really know who is resp
romney destroyed him. but in that rhetoric, he sealed his fate in the general election with the latinos, who he got blown out and provided a huge margin in the swing states. >> that is a good point, my point is, of course, the anonymous video operator, who captured the 47%, which is why we happen to have the tape. why it happened to be ready. now, the best move of 2012. what was the best move of 2012? >> this is really hard, because some part of me as a political junky thinks the...
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and romney set his sights on the president. >> it is still about the economy. and we arestupid. >> reporter: at number nine, bain. not that one. that one. almost as soon as romney had locked up the nomination, his former private investment firm, bain capital, was sacrificed by the super pacs, and the obama campaign. >> they sucked the life out of us. >> reporter: the attack ads put romney on the defense for months. >> there is nothing wrong with being associated with bain capital, of course. >> reporter: romney vowed to strike down the health care law himself. >> i am that one that is going to get rid of obama care. >> reporter: at number seven, gas. >> governor romney, do you feel the gas over shadowed the foreign trip? >> reporter: the candidate's missteps dominated. or in romney's case, the entire foreign trip, whereporters. >> this is a holy site. >> reporter: then at number six, the conventions were remembered less for the nominees and running mates, and more for. >> what do you want me to tell romney? he can't do that to himself. >> reporter: the warmup a
and romney set his sights on the president. >> it is still about the economy. and we arestupid. >> reporter: at number nine, bain. not that one. that one. almost as soon as romney had locked up the nomination, his former private investment firm, bain capital, was sacrificed by the super pacs, and the obama campaign. >> they sucked the life out of us. >> reporter: the attack ads put romney on the defense for months. >> there is nothing wrong with being associated...
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irony is when he did mention spending cuts, $716 billion in medicare cuts during the campaign, mitt romney and paul ryan and all the republicans, who wanted to do the exact same thing he did, they jumped on his case for proposing cuts to medicare. so how can you negotiate with a party that isn't serious about its own caucus, and isn't capable of controlling them and doesn't have a serious plan for dealing with spending cuts on its own, because it's afraid to take the heat? nobody wants to cut spending. let's just admit that. but if we're going to do it, somebody's got to take the heat and the republicans have been the party advocating it for so long, so take the heat republicans and tell us exactly what you're going to do. are you going to cut mortgage interest deductions, charitable deductions, federal and state tax deductions? let us know where you're going to do to pay for this debt reduction that you want. >> the fact of the matter is, it's not going to get done with just spending cuts or increased taxes, it's going to have to be a combination of both, and right now the worst part of i
irony is when he did mention spending cuts, $716 billion in medicare cuts during the campaign, mitt romney and paul ryan and all the republicans, who wanted to do the exact same thing he did, they jumped on his case for proposing cuts to medicare. so how can you negotiate with a party that isn't serious about its own caucus, and isn't capable of controlling them and doesn't have a serious plan for dealing with spending cuts on its own, because it's afraid to take the heat? nobody wants to cut...
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essentially wiped out the romney speech. i don't know if anyone remembers the romney speech. all they remember is eastwood. that is what tagg is talking about. if you run for 60 years in exhausting and degrading for size, which is what it is, you want the presidency. i think what he meant is that there were aspects o it showing leg, showing your past, showing your iner life that he did not like. he kept that out of the campaign. it hurt him. demonized mercilessly by the other side. >> that convention snafu exacerbated by the obama campaign frontloaded a lot of advertisement to label romney in states. >> can i jump in here? a lot of this, particularly the piece this weekend, superficial as if a differently run campaign could overcome a lot of republican problems. i was at the harvard kennedy school this semester. we had a debrief of both campaign, romney and obama campaign. tell you what the obama campaign people think. they thought that the approach to hispanics, the idea of self-deportation was kill every. they thought that they had had a very good strategy of being out in t
essentially wiped out the romney speech. i don't know if anyone remembers the romney speech. all they remember is eastwood. that is what tagg is talking about. if you run for 60 years in exhausting and degrading for size, which is what it is, you want the presidency. i think what he meant is that there were aspects o it showing leg, showing your past, showing your iner life that he did not like. he kept that out of the campaign. it hurt him. demonized mercilessly by the other side. >>...
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this time it's tag romney. the oldest of the five romney boys that tells the "boston globe" that his father never wanted to be president that much anyway. funny thing is most of the voters felt the same way. let's bring in jonathan capehart and susan delpersio. i've got to start with you, sorry girl. here's what tag romney tells the "boston globe" about his dad. quote, he wanted to be president less than anyone i've met in my life. he had no desire to run. he would have been ecstatic to step aside. as a republican, you must be thrilled to hear that. no? >> i think this quote -- as a strategist i think this falls on the category of when family members and friends try to help and make a story look better in which case it kind of backfires. because the truth is you don't do what mitt romney did. he's run for governor, he's run before. you don't do this unless you wanted it more than anything else. however, if it was really the case and he needed to be persuaded to run, that explains a lot. >> although i'm going to
this time it's tag romney. the oldest of the five romney boys that tells the "boston globe" that his father never wanted to be president that much anyway. funny thing is most of the voters felt the same way. let's bring in jonathan capehart and susan delpersio. i've got to start with you, sorry girl. here's what tag romney tells the "boston globe" about his dad. quote, he wanted to be president less than anyone i've met in my life. he had no desire to run. he would have been...
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romney? >> good luck tonight. really. >> it was not a spontaneous demonstration? >> please proceed. can you say that a little louder, candy? >> he did call it an act of terror. >> it's our turn now. >> president obama has been re-elected for a second term. >> i just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. all right, so? >> good times. let's get right to our panel. toure is co-host of "the cycle" here on msnbc and jimmy williams is an msnbc contributor. come on, guys, when you see that, don't you just get nostalgic for the campaign. it's the talk of the 47%, free stuff, and the latest from tagg romney that apparently his dad never really wanted the job anyway, right? >> the clown car is so stuffed what mall aproposeisms and other stuff. we didn't know rick perry forgetting to name some -- and newt gingrich's press release and any number of comments from him. >> but there's more. let's take a look at what i'm going to call the most monumental piece of found that didn't make it into that montage. >> there are 47% of the people who wil
romney? >> good luck tonight. really. >> it was not a spontaneous demonstration? >> please proceed. can you say that a little louder, candy? >> he did call it an act of terror. >> it's our turn now. >> president obama has been re-elected for a second term. >> i just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. all right, so? >> good times. let's get right to our panel. toure is co-host of...
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. >> the romney campaign was wrong. they thought they were going to win. if you talk to them at 5:00 on election day they would have told he they honestly believed they were going to win. i also think that -- the country is going to vote to be in a different position and i think we have got to understand that -- >> is that a ring tone? what ring tone was that? >> i have two ring tones. i have dancing queen is my general ring tone for most people and then my wife's ring tone is super trooper. we stay with abba all the way through. >> well, that was, in fact, dancing queen. anyway, it's not the first time abb a has caused newt to pause from politics. >> immediately allow for implementation that day of the pipeline. i had to cut off my son. that was dancing queen. i didn't have to answer it. if it's super trooper, it's my wife, i have to answer. i should have turned the phone off. >>. >>> next, what money can't buy. the sunlight foundation is out with a list of congressional candidates actually who spent more than $35 per vote in the 2012 election. topping th
. >> the romney campaign was wrong. they thought they were going to win. if you talk to them at 5:00 on election day they would have told he they honestly believed they were going to win. i also think that -- the country is going to vote to be in a different position and i think we have got to understand that -- >> is that a ring tone? what ring tone was that? >> i have two ring tones. i have dancing queen is my general ring tone for most people and then my wife's ring tone is...
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the attack ads put romney on defense for months. the president also got a lip fr lift from the supreme court. romney vowed to strike it down himself. >> i'm not one that's going to get rid of obama care. >> reporter: at number seven, gas. >> governor romney, do you feel that your gas has overshadowed your foreign trips? >> reporter: or in romney's case, his entire foreign trip where a campaign aide lashed out at reporters. a gaffe that went global. and then at number sick, the conventions were remembered less for the nominees and their running plates and more for -- >> what do you want me to tell romney? i can't tell him to do that. can't do that to himself. >> reporter: the warmup acts that stole the show. >> we believe that we're all in this together is a far better philosophy than you're on your own. >> reporter: number five, the september 11 attack in benghazi injected foreign policy into the race. >> justice will be done. >> reporter: a week later, the campaign shifted again to the hidden cram ra video of romney's comments on t
the attack ads put romney on defense for months. the president also got a lip fr lift from the supreme court. romney vowed to strike it down himself. >> i'm not one that's going to get rid of obama care. >> reporter: at number seven, gas. >> governor romney, do you feel that your gas has overshadowed your foreign trips? >> reporter: or in romney's case, his entire foreign trip where a campaign aide lashed out at reporters. a gaffe that went global. and then at number...
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> romney ran on his impressive business credentials. but it was his multiple gaffes that analysts say helped seal his fate. remember the 47% comments? >> there are 47% who are with him who are dependent on government. >> oh, and this one. >> whole binders full of women. >> number six. ex-cia director general david petraeus. >> some breaking news now coming in regarding the chief of the cia. general david petraeus. >> general petraeus, can you talk about this, please? >> the news was unexpected. the reason shocking. petraeus, a retired four-star general, had quit his cia post and admitted he had cheated on his wife. petraeus' mistress was also his biographer paula broadwell. an embarrassing exit from the public stage by one of the most respected public servants of his time. >> an impressive list, huh? and that's only half of them. the most intriguing people of 2012 numbers five to one revealed after a quick break. my geico app...see? y ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really? from the plane? yeah, i can manage my policy, get roadside a
> romney ran on his impressive business credentials. but it was his multiple gaffes that analysts say helped seal his fate. remember the 47% comments? >> there are 47% who are with him who are dependent on government. >> oh, and this one. >> whole binders full of women. >> number six. ex-cia director general david petraeus. >> some breaking news now coming in regarding the chief of the cia. general david petraeus. >> general petraeus, can you talk about...
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romney. and third, i think that in the republican house conference john boehner is far more worried about 35 to 70 of his most right-wing members for now anyway, especially going up to the vote on january 3rd for speaker than he is about the business community. but i also think this false balance is part of it, that the business community, like some in the media, seem to think you have to pretend to be equidistant from the parties even though the parties are not equidistant from the center or inclined to compromise, as you showed, one to the other. president obama has given a lot more ground, sometimes to the consternation of his own party, than the republicans have. >> when i watch the sort of political strategy of a group like fix the debt or just many folks in general, many in the media, the animating underlying impulse seems to be a belief that what will lead to compromise is kind of a spirit of cooperation, everyone being nice to each other. so when people stop being nice, they get upset
romney. and third, i think that in the republican house conference john boehner is far more worried about 35 to 70 of his most right-wing members for now anyway, especially going up to the vote on january 3rd for speaker than he is about the business community. but i also think this false balance is part of it, that the business community, like some in the media, seem to think you have to pretend to be equidistant from the parties even though the parties are not equidistant from the center or...
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more than just about obama and romney, it was about socialism and capitalism and spending and cutting and what kind of role government should have in your life. >> number one is the fiscal cliff. lawmakers saw it coming and didn't bother to pay any attention to it until after the election. had they put politics aside and dealt with it earlier, who knows how strong the u.s. economy would be right now. >> and make sure you join me for the biggest stories of the year in crime, politic, money and the most scandalous stories. the top ten of 2012, 8:00 eastern. a teen battling a terminal illness uses lyrics instead of letters to say goodbyes. >> it's kind of me always being there for him. like if they keep singing that song throughout their life, it will be worth it. >> this teen's final wish, next. s that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain. imagine you, with less pain. cymba
more than just about obama and romney, it was about socialism and capitalism and spending and cutting and what kind of role government should have in your life. >> number one is the fiscal cliff. lawmakers saw it coming and didn't bother to pay any attention to it until after the election. had they put politics aside and dealt with it earlier, who knows how strong the u.s. economy would be right now. >> and make sure you join me for the biggest stories of the year in crime, politic,...
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because if you do, then governor romney is your candidate. but that's not -- what i believe. >> that's just not the facts. when the president ran for office, he said that by this year, he would have brought down the cost of insurance for each family by $2,500 a family. >> let me just finish the point. i suspect it will be -- >> it was an absolutely disgracefully bad performance. i've never seen a president of the united states blather on like that. bore us. tell us none of his major arguments. >> he let us all down. >> everybody who's ever supported him and he turned in the laziest, dumbest, most me andering, confusing performance. >> melting down on tv, the bad debate fumbles. let me imitate president obama and won. >> exactly. >> you are right. you know what, he is never been a good debater. there was nothing terribly bad about that. >> it was bad. >> listen, i want you all to look back on youtube at mccain oba obama. he wasn't that good. >> he wasn't a five star recruit in the previous debates. but in that one, he got cut. that was bad. >>
because if you do, then governor romney is your candidate. but that's not -- what i believe. >> that's just not the facts. when the president ran for office, he said that by this year, he would have brought down the cost of insurance for each family by $2,500 a family. >> let me just finish the point. i suspect it will be -- >> it was an absolutely disgracefully bad performance. i've never seen a president of the united states blather on like that. bore us. tell us none of his...
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two words from romney reverberated all the way to november. his issue was the plan to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers. >> people who come here illegally won't be able to find work and will self-deport. >> the concept of self deportation was not by itself responsibility for romney's dismal showing by his panics, but it greased the skids. also a moment where romney wished to have a mulligan, there was this -- >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. there are 47% of people who are with him, who are depend upon the government, who think they're victims. >> romney calmed his remarks wrong. they also caused the deepest self-inflicted wound of the election. on the flipside -- >> the next vice president of the united states. >> romney's v.p. day may have been the best moment of his campaign. the selection of paul ryan excited conservatives in a way romney himself had not. how many moments are there in an hour and a half? the president lost all of them in the first debate. the pictures tell the
two words from romney reverberated all the way to november. his issue was the plan to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers. >> people who come here illegally won't be able to find work and will self-deport. >> the concept of self deportation was not by itself responsibility for romney's dismal showing by his panics, but it greased the skids. also a moment where romney wished to have a mulligan, there was this -- >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for...
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in states that romney won. because of that. >> two words. they lost. . >> as a republican woman does that make you want to leave the stage? >> i think this is punishment. this is. as a woman i want to forget it and i want to say every old white man, go study a chart of a woman's reproductive system. >> or remember that fumble. >> the top fumble of 2012. come on now. >> let's see. >> there are 47% of the female who will vote for the president no matter what. there are 47% who with with him who believe that they are victims who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them who believe they are entitled to health care to food, to housing, to you name it. these are people that pay no income tax. so my job is not to worry about those people. >> he acts as a character witness against himself in this video. he compounded every stereotype in this campaign. in that one fumble clip. >> the only thing we can do here is play ne gingrich. we have to play the skewed media. four out of five fumbles were republican? i guess they were. >> tha
in states that romney won. because of that. >> two words. they lost. . >> as a republican woman does that make you want to leave the stage? >> i think this is punishment. this is. as a woman i want to forget it and i want to say every old white man, go study a chart of a woman's reproductive system. >> or remember that fumble. >> the top fumble of 2012. come on now. >> let's see. >> there are 47% of the female who will vote for the president no matter...
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two words from mitt romney during the primary reverberated all the way through to november. the issue was his plan to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers. >> people who have come here illegally won't be able to find work and over time those people would tend to leave the country or self-deport. >> reporter: the concept of self-deportation was not by itself responsible for romney's dismal showing among hispanics, but it surely greased the skids. also in the category of moments for which romney would like to have had a mulligan, there was this. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe they're victims. >> reporter: romney called his remarks completely wrong. they also caused the deepest self-inflicted wound of the election. on the flipside -- >> he's going to be the next vice president of the united states. >> reporter: romney's vp day may well have been the best moment of his campaign. the selection of congressman paul ryan, excited conservatives
two words from mitt romney during the primary reverberated all the way through to november. the issue was his plan to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers. >> people who have come here illegally won't be able to find work and over time those people would tend to leave the country or self-deport. >> reporter: the concept of self-deportation was not by itself responsible for romney's dismal showing among hispanics, but it surely greased the skids. also in the category of...
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in case you hadn't heard, president obama defeated mitt romney last night. we know this for sure despite the fact that the returns from florida still have not been counted. some people had to wait five, six hours to vote there. what goes on in florida? they had four years to fix this and -- four years to fix things before that. [ laughter ] we need to make sure florida never gets the olympics. [ laughter ] [ applause ] the president got 303 electoral votes to romney's 206. obama led among women and minority voters while romney led among white means and banana republic mannequins. romney lost his home state of massachusetts. paul ryan lost his home state of wisconsin. i would not want to be paul ryan's shake weight today. probably getting a vigorous. a lot of people are wondering what the president will do differently in his second term. i'm hoping obama announces this will be the black half of his presidency. [ applause ] the last four years were pretty white. i'd like to see him put a little more funk in it. i'd like to see him turn this mother out for a ch
in case you hadn't heard, president obama defeated mitt romney last night. we know this for sure despite the fact that the returns from florida still have not been counted. some people had to wait five, six hours to vote there. what goes on in florida? they had four years to fix this and -- four years to fix things before that. [ laughter ] we need to make sure florida never gets the olympics. [ laughter ] [ applause ] the president got 303 electoral votes to romney's 206. obama led among women...
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. >> what if mitt romney isn't the best person? >> the idea that somehow making a business profitable is different than helping people. >> it's ridiculous for people to purchase a gun. >> did you get up this morning and have a quick -- >> i probably did, i probably did. >> "piers morgan tonight: the newsmakers" starts now. >>> good evening. one of the great things about my job is that every night i get to sit down with movers and shakers, the men and women at the center of the biggest stories of the year. what do they have in common? they're all utterly fascinating. tonight you'll hear from some of my favorite guests. we'll begin with the big man himself, governor chris christie. he found himself in a bit of hot water for making nice with president obama in the wake of hurricane sandy. >> 2.8 million people without power. i've watched these extraordinary scenes over new jersey today, really quite unprecedented. i've never seen anything quite like it. have you ever seen anything like this in your lifetime? >> no, i haven't. you know
. >> what if mitt romney isn't the best person? >> the idea that somehow making a business profitable is different than helping people. >> it's ridiculous for people to purchase a gun. >> did you get up this morning and have a quick -- >> i probably did, i probably did. >> "piers morgan tonight: the newsmakers" starts now. >>> good evening. one of the great things about my job is that every night i get to sit down with movers and shakers,...
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mitt romney is in a succession. he is not an anomaly. >> the main rereason for mitt romney's defeat, given those problemsms the president had. >> i do think if you ask people at the end of 2011 the middle of 2011, it looked as if it was a slam dunk for republicans. e of the reasons we were at the fiscal cliff wasas because the republican resolution of the debt crisis of 2011 was under the tacit assumption that they would control the white house who cares about everything stacked ainst them? i think the main cause was obama ran an absolutely brilliant campaign. republicans had a very weak field, and mitt romney was the best of a vy weak field, and he himself was an odd candidate, a given after the financial crisis, a man essentially of wall street, and also a man who was an essential issue of the 2010 campaign, where republicans have succeeded was obamacare but he had had something similar in massachusetts. he had two strikes against him whwhich made it very difficult against the disciplined obama to win. >> i think
mitt romney is in a succession. he is not an anomaly. >> the main rereason for mitt romney's defeat, given those problemsms the president had. >> i do think if you ask people at the end of 2011 the middle of 2011, it looked as if it was a slam dunk for republicans. e of the reasons we were at the fiscal cliff wasas because the republican resolution of the debt crisis of 2011 was under the tacit assumption that they would control the white house who cares about everything stacked...
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it was a pretty good day for mitt romney. the president's listless performance in that first presidential debate which he says caused me to have a stroke averwards. here's part of his closing argument, if you want to call it that, an argument. >> you know, four years ago i said that i'm not a perfect man and i wouldn't be a perfect president. but i also promised that i'd fight every single day on behalf of the american people and all of those struggling to get in the middle class. if you vote for me, i'm promise i'll fight just as hard in the second term. >> i think a lot of it had to do with how he feels personally about mitt romney. the idea that he was just on the stage with him was beneath him. this guy was someplace else. yeah, yeah, it was his anniversary. politically, he was thinking why am i dealing with tier 2. and it showed. >> right before it, we saw a democrat facing a really tough situation along with a pretty popular governor of new jersey. here he is with the press conference with the new jersey governor, chris
it was a pretty good day for mitt romney. the president's listless performance in that first presidential debate which he says caused me to have a stroke averwards. here's part of his closing argument, if you want to call it that, an argument. >> you know, four years ago i said that i'm not a perfect man and i wouldn't be a perfect president. but i also promised that i'd fight every single day on behalf of the american people and all of those struggling to get in the middle class. if you...
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governor romney, there's one thing i'm confused about. you say you don't want to go and round up people and deport them. but you say they would have to go back to their home countries and apply for citizenship. if you don't deport them, how do you send them home? >> the answer is self deportation. which is people can decide they can do better by going home because they can't find work here because they don't have legal document tation to allow them to work here. >> there was a little at the timer there in the back round. first of all, the phrase "self deportation". >> was a headline. >> yes. and it managed to summarize everything people didn't like about mitt romney. >> you mean firing you? >> well, the firing part of it. but the sort of cold part of it. that these are just sort of numbers on a spread sheet. these people were self deport. and i think the combination of the two, the cold hardedness and the cold-bloodedness of it just played into everybody's view of romney. >> like the bathtub is just going to overflow. >> well, it's just n
governor romney, there's one thing i'm confused about. you say you don't want to go and round up people and deport them. but you say they would have to go back to their home countries and apply for citizenship. if you don't deport them, how do you send them home? >> the answer is self deportation. which is people can decide they can do better by going home because they can't find work here because they don't have legal document tation to allow them to work here. >> there was a...
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that was bigger than anything that mitt romney did. that is the most memorable event from a convention that i believe not only did mitt romney stand up but also paul ryan and several hispanics did an excellent job to present a conservative reason to oust president obama. >> nobody remembers the flap over god was going to be on the platform. clint eastwood got all the attention. >> there is a certain rule here. republicans to have learn it. if the whole essence is a tightly choreographed event, then you do that. you put things to help you better, rubio was terrific and videos of the families, those were moving and nobody saw them because they were in the wrong hour, in the middle of it. don't say to clint eastwood, don't go out and wing it. there has been considerable cottage industry of finger pointing. most of loyal campaign ads are blaming romney himself. >> i it was struck by tom hamburger's piece that called the campaign campaign malpractice. there were so many mistakes it was obvious to the press. the republicans kept saying it wa
that was bigger than anything that mitt romney did. that is the most memorable event from a convention that i believe not only did mitt romney stand up but also paul ryan and several hispanics did an excellent job to present a conservative reason to oust president obama. >> nobody remembers the flap over god was going to be on the platform. clint eastwood got all the attention. >> there is a certain rule here. republicans to have learn it. if the whole essence is a tightly...
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romney didn't. finally, governor romney also did not confront the far left fanatics to demonize them and let me give you a perfect example. "the washington post" editorialized last week, that i, your humble correspondent, served up a bigoted commentary on election night, quote, a couple of hours before president obama was declared the vick toy bill o'reilly offered his explanation why mitt romney was about to lose because it's a changing country it's not a traditional america anymore. in case anyone might be confused about the meaning of traditional, he elaborated, white establishment is now minority. in other words, the problem was too many voters of color. how vile. how vile. in other words, you pinheads have no right to lie about me by putting fabricated words in my mouth. that's not what i said. you disgrace the journalism industry. you seek to demonize anyone who disagrees with your far left view. am i being clear enough? the white establishment no longer dominates the political field in americ
romney didn't. finally, governor romney also did not confront the far left fanatics to demonize them and let me give you a perfect example. "the washington post" editorialized last week, that i, your humble correspondent, served up a bigoted commentary on election night, quote, a couple of hours before president obama was declared the vick toy bill o'reilly offered his explanation why mitt romney was about to lose because it's a changing country it's not a traditional america anymore....
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win -- from the romney is size. and we were able to win. hundreds of millions of dollars were spent against democratic republican super pacs. there were democratic super pacs as well. the money was spent on their side. almost all of their targets, almost all the candidates lost. i do not think that money -- that put enormous pressure on the democrat -- democratic match it. it was more so in congressional races -- people gave less information and were more subject to being influenced by ads. we saw some races -- quite a bit of money was spent against bill foster. he won overwhelmingly. $6 million of super pac money was spent against him. tammy duckworth in her race -- she was still able to win. i do not think it is a healthy thing for the body politic to have people writing $10 million, $20 million, $30 million, $40 million checks. but it is a reality we may have to live with if we cannot change it. we should try and change it through whatever means are appropriate or available. the supreme court -- the supreme court changes over time, they
win -- from the romney is size. and we were able to win. hundreds of millions of dollars were spent against democratic republican super pacs. there were democratic super pacs as well. the money was spent on their side. almost all of their targets, almost all the candidates lost. i do not think that money -- that put enormous pressure on the democrat -- democratic match it. it was more so in congressional races -- people gave less information and were more subject to being influenced by ads. we...
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. >> reporter: earning his party's nomination was not as easy for mitt romney. a ballot glitch was discovered and he had to share the win are rick santorum. he eventually became the republican nominee and emerged from the battle bruised. >> moderate in 1996 and we lost. we tried running immoderate in 2008 and we lost. i don't see how a massachusetts liberal is going to do better. >> he is the worst republican in the country to put up against barack obama. >> romney's campaign saw several ups and downs but appearing confident and in command during their first debate romney threw president obama off his game with the president delivering a surprisingly shaky performance. >> the first debate sets the tone and can have the most impact but look, this is a series. >> reporter: mr. obama regained his footing by the third and final debate and ultimately won reelection. >> the best is yet to come. >> the margin of victory was slim when it came to the popular vote but looking at the electoral college it was a decisive victory. >> i have called president obama to congratul
. >> reporter: earning his party's nomination was not as easy for mitt romney. a ballot glitch was discovered and he had to share the win are rick santorum. he eventually became the republican nominee and emerged from the battle bruised. >> moderate in 1996 and we lost. we tried running immoderate in 2008 and we lost. i don't see how a massachusetts liberal is going to do better. >> he is the worst republican in the country to put up against barack obama. >> romney's...
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. >> we spent most of the last month e-mailing each other about barack obama and mitt romney. you were tearing me off a new one, i believe is the american phrase, for what you perceived to be my lack of support for the president. >> that's right. >> i was more interested in the debate. it was a good one. i found it informative. >> i sent you articles. >> you did. your man won. >> your man didn't? >> i don't have a voice in the race. i'm british. my argument was i wondered whether mitt romney could be better for the american economy. >> god, no. >> given his background. you were having none of it. >> do you know why? there have been businessmen who turned presidents. hoover, the first george bush. businessmen. there were a couple of others. lousy presidents. businessmen make lousy presidents. >> why have you been so consistently supportive of obama? >> i can't even imagine thinking about what would happen to the supreme court if a republican were the president. you know? i mean, citizens united is a horrible thing people can spend and waste this amount of money on elections? th
. >> we spent most of the last month e-mailing each other about barack obama and mitt romney. you were tearing me off a new one, i believe is the american phrase, for what you perceived to be my lack of support for the president. >> that's right. >> i was more interested in the debate. it was a good one. i found it informative. >> i sent you articles. >> you did. your man won. >> your man didn't? >> i don't have a voice in the race. i'm british. my...
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but my argument to you was i wondered whether mitt romney could be better for the american economy. >> god month. >> you were having none of it. >> do you know why? there have been businessmen who have turned presidents, i think herbert hoover, george bush, the first george bush. businessmen. i think there was a couple of others. lousy presidents. businessmen make lousy presidents. >> why have you been so consistently supportive of obama? >> i can't even imagine thinking about what would happen to the supreme court if a republican were the president, you know? i mean, citizens united is a horrible thing that people can spend and waste this amount of money on elections? think of all the -- you know, the people that could benefit from that money, you know? >> there have been two elections since i've been in america, there have been two elections where one party has had far more financial firepower than the other. one was here in california with meg whitman, one was nationally, but romney clearly had more money than obama. in both cases both of the most money lost. >> isn't that great? >
but my argument to you was i wondered whether mitt romney could be better for the american economy. >> god month. >> you were having none of it. >> do you know why? there have been businessmen who have turned presidents, i think herbert hoover, george bush, the first george bush. businessmen. i think there was a couple of others. lousy presidents. businessmen make lousy presidents. >> why have you been so consistently supportive of obama? >> i can't even imagine...
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chris: romney was -- wasn't just the president was weak. romney was awesome. when we come back, what was the biggest turning point at 2012? chris: welcome back. and more of our annual award show. the next category, the biggest political turning point this year. that's where we were just talking about a moment aeg. the opening created for mitt romney in that first debate in october when barack obama's poor showing gave romney true momentum. was it that bipartisan show of support from chris christie to barack obama after new jersey got decimated in the hurricane? was it the romney campaign getting caught in a lie with that last-minute jeep ad in ohio? mike was talking about a moment ago as well. just when he, romney, was narrowing the race in that key state. or was the biggest turning point the unemployment number? finally dipping under 8%, motte before the election? helene. >> all of those are g i'll go with chris christie. just because i think for pure political theater, that was a match. saw two politicians at both -- at that moment in time, they needed each
chris: romney was -- wasn't just the president was weak. romney was awesome. when we come back, what was the biggest turning point at 2012? chris: welcome back. and more of our annual award show. the next category, the biggest political turning point this year. that's where we were just talking about a moment aeg. the opening created for mitt romney in that first debate in october when barack obama's poor showing gave romney true momentum. was it that bipartisan show of support from chris...
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romney's was the most devastating. the 47%einforced a stereotype that obama had spent a lot of money doing in ads, and after that, he really could not shake it. >> what about binders full of women recruiting for him? >> i think he topped that st- ection with his description of obama winning because of the gifts that he gave. >> but that was after the election. i was just wondering about the impact it had on women voters. >> he had this very well-paid adviser who was unbelievably cautious and felt he could win is by default. how he could put clint eastwood up there and not know what clint eastwood was going to say has to be the biggest single political blunder of the year. >> why did mike murphy not get involved? >> mitt romney went after mike murphy, according to all reports. he had been responsible, key in his election as governor, but just on the women thing, one point -- mitt romney carried white women's vote 54%-42%. that is a decisive, a decisive victory. >> he carried married women. >> they underestimated this el
romney's was the most devastating. the 47%einforced a stereotype that obama had spent a lot of money doing in ads, and after that, he really could not shake it. >> what about binders full of women recruiting for him? >> i think he topped that st- ection with his description of obama winning because of the gifts that he gave. >> but that was after the election. i was just wondering about the impact it had on women voters. >> he had this very well-paid adviser who was...
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we are not done fighting. >> mitt romney is the winner in texas. >> mitt romney has 30 more delegates than he needs to win the republican nomination. >> my running mate and the next vice president of the united states, paul ryan. >> mitt romney took his running mate for a test driver in nascar country. >> all i am asking is we go back to the rates under bill clinton, for folks like me. >> i am not going to shut up. it is my turn. >> i accept your nomination for president of the united states. >> you must vote and you must reelect president barack obama. >> thank you. we draw strength from our victories and we learn from our mistakes. >> the pressure was on mitt romney, who needed a turnaround. >> virtually everything he said about my tax plan is inaccurate. >> it is math. it is arithmetic. >> fighting for obamacare instead of jobs. >> barack obama kept his eyes and his energy low. >> i have a question, and the question was, how much will you -- you'll get your chance in a moment. i am still speaking. >> here is what mitt romney was secretly recording -- recorded saying last may. >> th
we are not done fighting. >> mitt romney is the winner in texas. >> mitt romney has 30 more delegates than he needs to win the republican nomination. >> my running mate and the next vice president of the united states, paul ryan. >> mitt romney took his running mate for a test driver in nascar country. >> all i am asking is we go back to the rates under bill clinton, for folks like me. >> i am not going to shut up. it is my turn. >> i accept your...
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more than just about obama and romney. it was about socialism and capitalism. about spending and cutting. about what kind of role government should have in your life. >>> number one is the fiscal cliff. lawmakers saw it coming, but didn't bother to pay any attention to it until after the election. had they put politics aside and dealt with it earlier, who knows how strong the u.s. economy would be right now. >>> next, scandal. can you guess who made our list because of bad behavior? new prilosec otc wildberry is the same frequent heartburn treatment as prilosec otc. now with a fancy coating that gives you a burst of wildberry flavor. now why make a flavored heartburn pill? because this is america. and we don't just make things you want, we make things you didn't even know you wanted. like a spoon fork. spray cheese. and jeans made out of sweatpants. so grab yourself some new prilosec otc wildberry. [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. satisfaction guaranteed or your money back. >>> i'm don lemon with a look at your headlines. hill
more than just about obama and romney. it was about socialism and capitalism. about spending and cutting. about what kind of role government should have in your life. >>> number one is the fiscal cliff. lawmakers saw it coming, but didn't bother to pay any attention to it until after the election. had they put politics aside and dealt with it earlier, who knows how strong the u.s. economy would be right now. >>> next, scandal. can you guess who made our list because of bad...
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but his campaign was determined to make it a choice between him and mitt romney. and what was really remarkable is by time election day rolled around, the election had almost become a referendum on mitt romney. gwen: yeah, funny how they turned that around. after it was all over, a lot of the things we didn't believe during the campaign, the obama people said oh, we figured this out. we know who our voters are. we know where to spend the money. we thought they were boasting. and it turns out they were right. >> the one thing, really, i think defied everybody's expectations is what the obama campaign said they were going to do, was that they were going to turn out an electorate in 2012 that looked very much like the electorate in 2008, that they were going to get huge numbers of african americans and young people. that they were going to mobilize the hispanic vote. a lot of republicans couldn't believe these polling numbers. there were so much talk of skewed polls. after the election the romney campaign said they just couldn't believe that the obama operation was c
but his campaign was determined to make it a choice between him and mitt romney. and what was really remarkable is by time election day rolled around, the election had almost become a referendum on mitt romney. gwen: yeah, funny how they turned that around. after it was all over, a lot of the things we didn't believe during the campaign, the obama people said oh, we figured this out. we know who our voters are. we know where to spend the money. we thought they were boasting. and it turns out...
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he was also a romney surrogate. jimmy, do you know how much msnbc pays versus cnbc? i mean is there a reason that you feel more aligned with -- what do we got to do to get you here, anyway? >> pay me more, baby. it's called capitalism. >> oh. now -- >> the democrat speaking. >> now you like capitalism, when it applies to you. okay. we got it. jimmy, can they do anything to -- between tonight -- or they can meet with the president today, and then the house gets back on sunday. do you think they can do some stripped down bill? >> i think that -- i know they can. but they won't. and the reason they won't is because speaker boehner, who i like and you and i have talked about, cannot get -- listen, if he can't get a million bucks threshold on a tax cut through his chamber, what's he going to do get $500,000? it's not going to happen. what i think is going to happen at the white house this afternoon, though, is these folks are going to come in, sit down with the president, they're going to say, okay, we're all jumping over the cliff. so what do we do after the cliff? and t
he was also a romney surrogate. jimmy, do you know how much msnbc pays versus cnbc? i mean is there a reason that you feel more aligned with -- what do we got to do to get you here, anyway? >> pay me more, baby. it's called capitalism. >> oh. now -- >> the democrat speaking. >> now you like capitalism, when it applies to you. okay. we got it. jimmy, can they do anything to -- between tonight -- or they can meet with the president today, and then the house gets back on...
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election, we saw chris christie go from being one of president obama's toughest critics, one of mitt romney's best surrogates to really putting the people of new jersey, his state, the disaster in the number one place, number one priority and worked with the local and federal authorities, embraced the help that was coming from everywhere, and that has seen him get really high approval ratings. you know, it's funnich sometimes doing the right thing is the politically correct thing to do. >> they say good policy is good politics, vice versa. would be nice if other people on both sides of the aisle followed that. okay, richard. i want to get to your next naughty because these are two republicans who gave republican leaders, the people here i cover, major, major heartburn, you see them there,ed to akin and richard mourdock. >> they became the problems the republicans were having in recapturing the senate. ed to akin, the republican senate candidate from missouri and richard mourdock from minnesota, made offensive remarks about women and rape and todd akin introduce the the concept of so-called le
election, we saw chris christie go from being one of president obama's toughest critics, one of mitt romney's best surrogates to really putting the people of new jersey, his state, the disaster in the number one place, number one priority and worked with the local and federal authorities, embraced the help that was coming from everywhere, and that has seen him get really high approval ratings. you know, it's funnich sometimes doing the right thing is the politically correct thing to do....
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mitt romney is in a succession. he is not an anomaly. >> the main reason for mitt romney's defeat, given the problems the president had. >> if you ask people at the end of 2011, middle of 2011, to look like a slam dunk for republicans. one of the reasons we are at the fiscal cliff is the republican resolution was under the tacit assumption that they would control the white house, so who cared about everything stacked against them. the main problem was obama ran an absolutely brilliant campaign. republicans had a very weak field, and romney was the best of a very weak field. he himself was a very odd candidate. after the financial crisis, a man essentially of wall street, and a man whose essential issue of the 2010 campaign was obamacare, but he had passed something similar in massachusetts. he had two strikes against him, which made it very difficult begins the difficult rigid discipline obama to win. >> i think obama won because republicans underestimated him, and they did it through sell collision that goes back t
mitt romney is in a succession. he is not an anomaly. >> the main reason for mitt romney's defeat, given the problems the president had. >> if you ask people at the end of 2011, middle of 2011, to look like a slam dunk for republicans. one of the reasons we are at the fiscal cliff is the republican resolution was under the tacit assumption that they would control the white house, so who cared about everything stacked against them. the main problem was obama ran an absolutely...